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hey guys how's it going

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as always thank you so much for being

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here

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just gonna check everything's in order

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because when you go live you never know

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what might crop up so

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give me two seconds just need to check

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i'll get better at this i promise there

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we go guys

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guys thank you so much for being here

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thank you for the continued support

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it means the world to me you keep

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motivating me to do this

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keep doing these interviews put out this

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content and because i know it's just as

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important to you as it is to me

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now this one tonight is one that i've

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been looking forward to

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and i say tonight because i'm here in

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the uk it's 7 30 p.m

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so for everyone else around the world

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yeah

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that's why i say night but let's not

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waste any more time

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i would like to introduce one of my

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favorite people in this subject

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um who's been putting in work for so

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long now mr rich hoffman

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executive board member of the scientific

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coalition

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for uap studies welcome rich

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hey glad to be on board vinnie thank you

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for inviting me

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it's my absolute pleasure just thank you

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so much for giving up your time

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and i'm sure you're a busy man

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so i've just i've got a few little sort

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of questions lined up just to sort of

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lead us through the uh

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through the chat so i guess the first

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thing that

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i'd like to know and maybe everyone else

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is just give us brief background and

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history about about yourself and

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and how you got to this this subject

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i'll be happy to uh actually i've got 57

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uh in on it i started when i was 13

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years old

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i got started as a result of having to

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do a presentation a 10-minute

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presentation in a science class

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and uh in my eighth grade and i

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and i had to put my name next to a topic

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and nobody else chose it and i put my

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name next to this thing called ufos

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didn't even know what it was went up to

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my teacher and said well what's a ufo

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and he said i identified flying object i

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said what is that

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he said you ever heard of flying saucers

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i said yeah i watched science fiction

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show you know so

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no problem we'll go do a ten minute

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report go do your study and

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of course i did a horrible job with it i

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got a d on it that's how well

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and so i pretty pretty near flunking but

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anyway

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i couldn't address any of the questions

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that my teacher had who was more

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well read on this subject uh in

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my my topics were like i think the books

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that i actually looked at were like my

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trip to venus

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my saturnian lover you know

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you know and so so i you know and i grew

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up in dayton ohio

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and little did i know a couple days

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later after getting my first

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actual legitimate book on it uh it was

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called the report on unidentified flying

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objects

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by the head of project blue book

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and that was uh when i read that

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book i i was like taking it back because

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they're talking about

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firing at them i'm going like wait a

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minute you know

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and plus it coincided with the uhlani

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zamora socorro new mexico case

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in which there was the object that

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landed and and that was a pretty

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well-known case

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so it rocked my world and i you know

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basically got started

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after that and then within i started

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giving lectures even around

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town uh in dayton ohio and that's where

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the project blue book was

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and so i became you know pretty much the

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go-to guy

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uh in the city of dayton anyway and then

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suddenly i got

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connected up with a mutual ufo network

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in uh 19 well actually it was called the

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midwest ufo network in

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1969 and uh and anyway i became the

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state section director for dayton ohio

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i was with a number of other

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organizations studying the phenomena and

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actually investigating cases

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right so i've been investigating you

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know probably over over a thousand cases

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myself and then i over the the period of

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the next 57 years i basically have been

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the deputy director of

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investigations for uh mufon

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i was also the director of scientific

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projects which was looking at adapting

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technology to study

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uh and i got involved with them on that

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2017 i decided to leave my positions

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with mufon and we we decided to create

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an organization called the scu which is

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a scientific coalition for uap

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studies and the primary focus there was

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to be able to get

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scientists engaged and and serious

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researchers

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as a coalition to start doing uh

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independent studies uh and really you

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put science at the forefront because up

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to that point

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you know a lot of people will collect

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ufo reports but they don't

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do an analysis of them that we don't you

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you might have 70 000 cases or 80 000

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cases in your

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your database with mufon and if you if

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you haven't got somebody that's actually

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doing an analysis of it then what good

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is it right

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you don't want to work to put reports

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together and investigate them but you

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hey wait a minute what intelligence can

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we get from it so that's kind of where i

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we are as as a group now

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that's my ufo history okay let me come

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back to now my

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i'm i'm currently and i've been working

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for the past 26 years

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army uh i'm

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i t systems development uh and i've also

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been playing roles

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in as a systems engineering and analyst

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which if you it's kind of an interesting

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the if you take a look at it like i'm

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organization that was actually the and

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organization if

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that's doing that so it's kind of like

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you know me going first full circle if

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yeah and so because of that and that

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connection with the army material

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command and stuff like that i got an

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appreciation of the military

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and the role that it plays uh and

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and so i'm i'm kind of like you know i

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have an appreciation of that world

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intelligence world and

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we're suddenly starting to to create a

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like if you would a partnership

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with the intelligence piece because uh

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they play such a critical role in us

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being able to get

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uh accurate information and data

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that you know that will help us out in

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task force report and the subsequent dod

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uh document that came out that basically

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talks about them putting together an

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program now yeah it speaks to

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uh being able to use uh everything from

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uh measures intelligence to human uh to

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sigint which is signals intelligence and

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stuff like that and that's all gonna be

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great sensory information that we could

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now study so i'm excited vinnie but

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that's kind of like my background

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i've been active like i said for 57

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the whole topic i've studied a lot seen

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a lot hurt a lot

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and uh there you go no that's great

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but before you were saying about 2017

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and forming that scu but

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up to that in your work in the

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scientific field did you always come

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across that stigma that taboo that was

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the ufo subject yes and

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let me tell you i mean the interesting

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think i told you that i started even

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different groups or like i would speak

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to churches i would speak it uh

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rotary optimus clubs and various other

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you'd kind of like see a little bit of a

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hesitation to even discuss the topic

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or or that type of thing or you know

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basically there's a they pooh-pooh it if

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you would uh and say that there's

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nothing to it this is just all

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hui and then i would do my presentation

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wow i didn't realize that

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a lot of people are going on the basis

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of just you know either what they saw on

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television or what they heard

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yeah somebody else and they form these

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opinions that that it's all you know

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it's either all legit or it's not legit

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but very rarely did they spend any time

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studying it or actually looking into it

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of course and so yeah i mean so

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you know consequently you've seen over

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the period of uh

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of that time you know at least my time

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57 years history right where we could

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talk about flying saucers back in the in

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the early days

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because it was an open topic it seemed

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and there was an actual

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air force project that was studying it

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right yeah it's got to be legit and we

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can talk about it

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yes well then you had the project blue

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closed in 1969 and then you had the

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scientific community coming out saying

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anymore just you know let it go

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drop it uh it's not worth your time and

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and then you had the period of times at

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least in the united states where you had

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these tabloids would be sitting at your

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grocery checkout that would have a

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picture of

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some president or something like that

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holding an alien baby

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the whole topic you know and so you know

289
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and that was all a cia push to be able

290
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to get it to make it ludicrous and

291
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things to talk about

292
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yeah and and you know and i'll also say

293
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this vinnie

294
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that the uf if you would if there is

295
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such a thing as a ufo community which is

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just so

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fractured and fragmented and

298
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it's almost like a different religions

299
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here and there

300
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you know that if you can call it one

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community

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and it's you know you think that it's

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working you know cooperatively

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together and it's not and and uh then

305
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you run into the problem where

306
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you know there are these like really

307
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fringe kind of beliefs out there about

308
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the subject

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that you know then this other group has

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problems with it

311
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and then you see all that and then what

312
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scientists would want to get engaged in

313
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all that

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crap of course no absolutely amazing

315
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yeah

316
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so that's why you saw like even in 2017

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there was a large number of us

318
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that left mufon because well they

319
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started to get into the the conspiracy

320
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stuff about secret spaceship programs

321
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and all this other

322
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stuff and you know i mean that's fine

323
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and good but that's not where science

324
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wants to play

325
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and we don't want to deal with

326
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conspiracies we want to deal with facts

327
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of course we want to deal with evidence

328
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we want to deal with that type stuff so

329
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we kind of divorced ourselves from even

330
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uh that

331
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and we moved on and that's why we say we

332
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needed to stick together to be able to

333
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have these serious

334
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conversations about you know propulsion

335
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systems what can we

336
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learn from the ufos and their

337
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propulsions and interactions with the

338
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atmosphere

339
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is there any pattern to where they the

340
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uso phenomena happens you know the

341
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the underwater stuff that's going on is

342
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there a pattern to that

343
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and that's the kind of like level of

344
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discussions that we want uh we want to

345
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can we deduce any of the intentions uh

346
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of the

347
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objects that are seen next to nuclear

348
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facilities

349
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do they is there something about the the

350
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timing of that that happens is there

351
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something about the uh

352
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the way that they maneuver or uh maybe

353
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they hold back and watch

354
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uh and so we're trying to like learn the

355
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intentions of that if you would

356
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sure like and so that's where science

357
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wants to be and we want to

358
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we want to forward that understanding

359
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from a scientific nature of these

360
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uh objects no that's great and that's

361
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what i keep saying to people

362
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across my social media platforms is that

363
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i think

364
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so many people were waiting for the june

365
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25th report to come out and there

366
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suddenly be loads of answers but i was

367
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kind of giving out my opinion which was

368
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this isn't going to give us answers it's

369
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going to lead us into a new direction

370
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that is going to be focused on science

371
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yes i think

372
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you know it's going to take a lot more

373
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time but it's definitely got to go down

374
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the scientific um

375
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avenue let's say so um yeah and

376
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i mean you know you know that whole

377
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stigma is what kept

378
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pilots from reporting it navy p

379
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personnel from talking about it

380
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nobody wanted to to discuss it and so

381
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that even that's what i saw

382
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in in my i mean working in the military

383
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right now yeah

384
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the interesting thing about me is if you

385
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go to my my cube where i sit and do my

386
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work and stuff like that it's all decked

387
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out and ufo stuff

388
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and so i got the little i want to

389
00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:27,519
believe poster and everything else

390
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,720
i have it too the funny thing is that

391
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they've always known that i'm i'm

392
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very much into this and and that i treat

393
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it seriously so

394
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i will get conversations privately where

395
00:13:44,949 --> 00:13:41,600
people will come up and tell me their

396
00:13:47,829 --> 00:13:44,959
experiences right right you know and so

397
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they have experiences and they don't and

398
00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:49,040
i remember like

399
00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:50,560
this is kind of a funny thing but in the

400
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70s i actually went to project blue book

401
00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:54,320
area where it was

402
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and the foreign technology division and

403
00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:58,959
i gave up i gave a presentation on ufos

404
00:14:02,150 --> 00:13:59,760
right

405
00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:02,160
and so here i am talking to all these

406
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:04,000
people that were probably playing in it

407
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:05,920
from scientific standpoint

408
00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:07,920
and i i i asked him i said well how many

409
00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:09,120
of you have you actually

410
00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:11,680
witnessed one and maybe like one nervous

411
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:12,800
hand out of the

412
00:14:16,470 --> 00:14:15,440
room and then then what happened you

413
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:16,480
want to hear something funny

414
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:18,560
but at the i gave a little intermission

415
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:19,680
or a break

416
00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:21,440
i was pummeled with everybody walking up

417
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,040
to me telling me their stories

418
00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:25,120
and then they had me like for hours

419
00:14:30,389 --> 00:14:27,120
afterwards telling me their stories

420
00:14:31,990 --> 00:14:30,399
privately right wow so i mean

421
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,000
the fact that we're now looking to be

422
00:14:36,870 --> 00:14:34,079
able to get the navy and all and the air

423
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:36,880
force to actually do these reports

424
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:40,000
uh and also the collection of all the

425
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:42,480
wonderful things like radar the isr

426
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:45,440
the sensors and all that yeah that's

427
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,199
going to be extremely helpful

428
00:14:50,470 --> 00:14:49,600
uh to be able to now make some sense out

429
00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:50,480
of this

430
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:54,320
yeah absolutely um and it is it feels

431
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:56,079
like we're in a new a new step a new

432
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:57,120
frontier

433
00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:58,720
but it is this is what i say to people

434
00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,880
it is quite new i mean the the navy

435
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:02,639
reporting system's probably only been in

436
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:04,480
play for a couple of years

437
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:06,639
so i think we've got a lot to wait and

438
00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:08,399
come from that side of things and i

439
00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:10,079
think probably a lot of the

440
00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:12,000
even the classified report that that we

441
00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,399
didn't see is probably only focusing on

442
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:16,959
a majority of the 144 cases

443
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,959
possibly being in the last couple years

444
00:15:22,870 --> 00:15:20,160
due to those implement

445
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,880
implementations from the navy reporting

446
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,480
system so

447
00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:26,160
but um you were just talking about

448
00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:27,680
speaking to people

449
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,680
about their sightings and stuff but have

450
00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:32,160
you ever had a sighting or an experience

451
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,279
or anything

452
00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:35,040
so i've had experiences obviously when

453
00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,720
you go out and do and conduct

454
00:15:40,629 --> 00:15:39,440
investigations uh you know and

455
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:40,639
especially in the number that i have

456
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,040
done

457
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:43,920
you know first going out in the fields

458
00:15:47,189 --> 00:15:45,040
walking and seeing

459
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,199
you know the like maybe ground evidence

460
00:15:51,189 --> 00:15:49,440
or something of that nature

461
00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:51,199
something's there i've i've seen a lot

462
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:53,680
of things that it basically convinced me

463
00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:57,440
that that there's something real uh in

464
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,320
my aha moment was not my own observation

465
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:01,920
because i really haven't had any

466
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,199
uh at all and uh but i

467
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,880
i have i'll tell you one in a minute

468
00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,199
here but but when you go out and you

469
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:11,120
actually do an investigation on the case

470
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,079
where there were a lot

471
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,880
ufo activity the night before and this

472
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:16,320
farmer happens to come out

473
00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:18,000
and looking at his wheat field in the

474
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:19,920
middle of the wheat field

475
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:22,639
there's a 70 diameter circular area

476
00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:24,639
where there's no wheat anymore

477
00:16:27,990 --> 00:16:27,120
uh and that he finds that the next

478
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,000
morning

479
00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:29,839
and then we have a team that goes out

480
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:31,519
and does the analysis of that

481
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,199
in in and we we find in the

482
00:16:38,389 --> 00:16:37,680
if you were in this area and this

483
00:16:41,509 --> 00:16:38,399
there's no

484
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:41,519
roots uh that are remaining uh

485
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:44,320
of the wheat and as you there's a

486
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,040
depression

487
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,920
in the center of the wheat crop

488
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:49,360
indicating that there was like something

489
00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:50,399
that was heavy that was

490
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:53,519
pressing down on oil and then it

491
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,519
then as you progressively move out in

492
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,839
any direction from that center point

493
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:59,759
center point when let's say you get out

494
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:01,279
to about 65

495
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,240
uh you know or like you know might it

496
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,039
might be 65 feet around in that circle

497
00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:09,120
yeah you find that there's a little bit

498
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,720
of the roots that are still remaining

499
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:12,240
and then maybe a stubble above the

500
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,959
ground

501
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,480
and then you get a bit further out you

502
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,480
see a rotational pattern of the wheat

503
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:18,480
and then you see puffed wheat around the

504
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:19,679
entire 70 foot

505
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:22,640
in diameter area now you're standing in

506
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,679
the middle of this

507
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,760
you get there's microwave radiation

508
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:26,959
you're detecting

509
00:17:31,350 --> 00:17:30,480
right and you're saying what does that

510
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,360
in the middle

511
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,200
and there's no indication of some heavy

512
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:35,280
equipment coming in from you know

513
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,799
the rest of the wheat is all still

514
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:38,320
standing right yeah

515
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:41,520
so what does that right

516
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,919
and you know how could you even contrive

517
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:45,679
that you know if i wanted to call it

518
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,120
something like that so to me that's like

519
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,400
an aha moment where i could say yes

520
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:55,360
there's something to this right sure

521
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:56,320
that's

522
00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,440
my name i've been out on many nights

523
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:01,520
trying to look for them haven't seen

524
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:02,640
anything

525
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:06,240
i did have an experience in october of

526
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,679
2012 uh where i was going into work

527
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:11,440
one morning and i suddenly started

528
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,760
getting phone calls here in huntsville

529
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,679
about an object that was up in the in

530
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,039
the sky and i i

531
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,960
had them direct me to where it was it

532
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:21,039
was a very sunny day

533
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,320
and i happened to be looking up in the

534
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:24,320
sky and and i saw

535
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:26,240
an object that was up there that was

536
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,360
very bright

537
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:29,440
and then it would go dark and then would

538
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,440
come back being bright

539
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:33,280
dark right and kept going through this

540
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:34,480
kind of thing i kept

541
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:36,960
what is that you know and it's got a you

542
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:37,760
know

543
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:40,880
typical star would be the

544
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:44,160
serious or some very bright star

545
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:47,280
right and what was causing it to do that

546
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:48,720
i couldn't make it out

547
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,679
i then uh when i got to work one of my

548
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:53,440
colleagues said did you happen to see

549
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:55,440
the cylinder that took off from

550
00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:58,000
like the uh you know cylindrical object

551
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,960
you know he said

552
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,160
i said no i didn't know it was

553
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,160
cylindrical so

554
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,559
being the fact that i was uh that was i

555
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:05,919
was the state director

556
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:09,120
for mufon i started following in the

557
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,039
mufon database

558
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,799
to see if any additional sightings were

559
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:14,720
coming up of a cylinder right

560
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:17,679
yeah and so i tracked for the next four

561
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:18,559
days

562
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,679
a cylinder that moved from huntsville

563
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:22,720
alabama

564
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:25,840
up into tennessee up toward the

565
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:28,799
bristol state la the uh bristol city

566
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,160
area which is a

567
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,080
half of it's in virginia and the other

568
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:34,160
half is in tennessee

569
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:36,480
right and then so i followed it up

570
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:37,200
through uh

571
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,480
virginia and then it into ohio

572
00:19:45,510 --> 00:19:42,400
and you could watch it and it turned out

573
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,520
to be the google loon balloon

574
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,679
it was a they were testing and it was a

575
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,120
steeper project

576
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,600
to be able to test providing internet

577
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:52,960
using balloons

578
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,919
right and so this was a test that was

579
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,240
being done it was an i guess a nasa

580
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,960
release here where i'm at in huntsville

581
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,720
uh we have the marshall space flight

582
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:03,919
center and i work at

583
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,039
course redstone arsenal but yeah uh

584
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,880
anyway that was a test flight of that

585
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,080
google and it was secret

586
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,159
so they didn't report it and actually

587
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:14,640
google was tracking it by ufo reports as

588
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,200
well

589
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:17,440
you know they were tracking your balloon

590
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:18,480
so

591
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,440
anyway that's as close as i've come to

592
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,200
my own observation and i couldn't figure

593
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,799
out what it was at first and it took me

594
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,799
a while to be able to investigate it

595
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,039
that was that's yeah i can see why that

596
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:30,720
would cause quite the uproar across the

597
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,840
community and over

598
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,000
very various nights and stuff there's a

599
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,760
blue that was actually just making its

600
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,039
way through the wind

601
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,520
and made its way up into eventually into

602
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:40,240
canada where

603
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,799
it came out that's there that's crazy

604
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:47,440
um moving on let's um this is something

605
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,080
that people

606
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:51,520
always always ask me about and

607
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,200
uh well there's no easier way to say

608
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:54,640
than are you aware

609
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:58,559
of the patterns of salvatore pie

610
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:01,919
yes and this seems this is why i keep

611
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,679
getting question people saying well they

612
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,440
they exist because this is what they are

613
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:07,120
and it you know i

614
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,640
obviously it's not as simple as that um

615
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,840
can you expand on it at all just give a

616
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:15,200
breakdown of what it is

617
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:18,400
what it means because people jump from

618
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,600
zero to 100

619
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,360
and think they don't see everything in

620
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,039
between

621
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:26,080
right and so just to let you know i

622
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,440
kind of started when when he first

623
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,120
started coming out i kept like saying

624
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:32,159
like what is this why why is this coming

625
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:33,200
out at this time

626
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:36,080
is this uh is this disinformation is it

627
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:37,280
being used

628
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:40,799
to be able to uh you know basically

629
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,840
uh to kinda like if you would to let the

630
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,280
chinese know that we're looking into

631
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:47,200
something and

632
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:51,840
that is that a game that's being played

633
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,280
uh and you know and then i actually was

634
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,280
able to confirm because i'm in the dod i

635
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,039
could actually confirm that there was a

636
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,000
this gentleman is legit yeah and he did

637
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,120
work where he was

638
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,360
and all this other stuff so it's like

639
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:06,480
you know

640
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,720
and then there's a question of did any

641
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,679
of these things

642
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:12,400
actually pan out in other words if you

643
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,200
do

644
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:15,840
you can put something together on paper

645
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,200
and it sounds wonderful

646
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:19,200
but you know doesn't have anything that

647
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,240
and you know that

648
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,640
legitimate to it you know sure yeah and

649
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,679
so you know

650
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,600
we're tests run to see if there was

651
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,159
actually the capability of creating a

652
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,679
piece uh

653
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,000
polarizable vacuum or something like

654
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,679
that around maybe the craft

655
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,880
using uh microwave transmitters and and

656
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,320
all this other type things

657
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,799
and what what i what i deduced was that

658
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,280
apparently these things didn't work out

659
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,400
uh and and the tests were not

660
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,080
conclusive enough to be able to go

661
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,000
forward

662
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,039
and then later on apparently because of

663
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,200
that the navy pretty much just dropped

664
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,240
it and

665
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,480
apparently i think that the the air

666
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,600
force was actually

667
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,760
going to be picking it up to see if they

668
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,159
could do anything further with it

669
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,360
you know uh and god bless them for going

670
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,880
because that's just r d i mean

671
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,720
scientists will show you different kinds

672
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,679
of things

673
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:14,000
you know and so you know can you

674
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,880
conceivably

675
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,039
get an effect where you'd be able to

676
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,440
actually do those types of things and

677
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,840
what i i've not i haven't followed it

678
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,760
anymore after the fact that they

679
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,520
initially announced that the tests were

680
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,200
pretty much inclusive

681
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,480
right and and didn't pan out as if

682
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:33,120
if you would so that's pretty much where

683
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,320
i went with it vinnie

684
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,960
but but you know again it goes back to

685
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:38,480
uh

686
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,159
is one thing

687
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:45,039
versus actual scientific research that

688
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
you might find

689
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,679
in the in the government that would be

690
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:49,679
highly classified if you would

691
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:52,880
sure uh and so uh there could have been

692
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:53,440
a

693
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:57,840
it i don't know

694
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,960
uh that that that is a strategy that the

695
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,600
dod

696
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,919
probably could use to be able to throw

697
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,880
people off

698
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,000
or other countries uh and you know

699
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:10,320
and and we already have a problem in the

700
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,520
sense that

701
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,520
we we know that the chinese are stealing

702
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,640
our r d

703
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,279
anyway uh and suddenly that you know

704
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:18,880
that's that explains why you suddenly

705
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,200
see

706
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,360
an american design for a drone suddenly

707
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,159
being over the chinese inventory

708
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,559
so uh we do have adversaries that are

709
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:28,480
trying to ping us from a cyber security

710
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,120
standpoint

711
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:32,320
all the time and and we do know that

712
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:32,640
that

713
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,840
thing the reason why

714
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,600
again where i asked about the the pi

715
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,039
patterns is because

716
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,720
i think too many people see a pattern

717
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,039
and they they just see it as

718
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,679
it's real it exists yeah and it's flying

719
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:51,440
above our heads and that's it

720
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,640
you know i've seen it oh man

721
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,320
and i don't want to be the one to try

722
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,159
and burst their bubble because they're

723
00:25:03,269 --> 00:24:59,840
so sure fire that a pattern

724
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,279
means we have it and it's good to hear

725
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,640
it from somebody

726
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,480
you know who is it more probably more in

727
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,559
the know than i am let's say

728
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,039
if you go into the actual trademark or

729
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:12,559
the patent and trademark office you'll

730
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:12,799
see

731
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,760
all kinds of designs over the history of

732
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:17,760
people that have submitted patents for

733
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:21,200
all kinds of wild crazy designs of ufos

734
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,919
i mean

735
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:24,640
or or things that will be anti-gravity

736
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,200
or whatever

737
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,880
but again if you don't put it on the

738
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:28,480
drawing board and you actually test it

739
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,440
and conducts

740
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,279
you know i mean then it it just falls

741
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,880
out absolutely

742
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,080
i know that's the thing there's been

743
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:36,000
triangles and all sorts of weird and

744
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,039
wonderful craft

745
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,960
yes that just keep cropping up across

746
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,400
social media with people going

747
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,240
i've we found it we you know it's it's

748
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,600
the government

749
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,720
like no it really doesn't mean that

750
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:49,120
but yeah anyway thank you for clarifying

751
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,559
that so i'm just trying to get my notes

752
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,679
up i think the

753
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,159
one of the big things that um i've been

754
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,559
very interested in is obviously the 2004

755
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,559
nimitz case and of course

756
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,640
the scu paper is one of the most

757
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,919
in-depth studies

758
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,320
analysis using all sorts of science

759
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,919
mathematics and everything

760
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,120
are you able to talk us through the

761
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,960
process from when you first started

762
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:10,559
looking at the case to how it came

763
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,039
through

764
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,039
all the way to that that paper being

765
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:14,480
released

766
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:17,840
i'd be glad to uh robert powell was

767
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,240
the the first one uh to be able to get

768
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:22,880
engaged he had seen apparently or

769
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,159
somehow notice that article by paco

770
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,640
chichiri i'm not sure if i'm saying that

771
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:29,279
right but

772
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:32,640
sounds okay paco had written an article

773
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,840
and and then as he started uh robert

774
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,080
powell started to dive into it

775
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,200
uh he started to get more information

776
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,120
that it might be a legitimate

777
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,440
kind of like incident and something that

778
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,559
we could we could

779
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:49,840
start to look into so hats off to

780
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,120
robert for his uh is his initial push

781
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,679
into getting that information absolutely

782
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,640
doing that

783
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:59,440
and then what that did was it you know

784
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,720
started to lead into

785
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,520
also doing other kinds of what they call

786
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,799
foia requests

787
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,640
to be able to get additional information

788
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,000
and so uh

789
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:10,400
robert was actually doing a whole lot of

790
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:11,120
those

791
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:14,000
requests to be able to get more data and

792
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,880
uh

793
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:17,440
then a number of us we started to form a

794
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,240
team

795
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,480
to where we started to look into it from

796
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,559
our different perspectives and so

797
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,760
like i i started helping in in a certain

798
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,000
context to be able to go out and get

799
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,080
like dod related kind of information

800
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,720
because of my connection that way

801
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,640
i started to help put some of the

802
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:36,720
information together about the

803
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:40,799
you know the vfa 41 the the black aces

804
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,679
and some other kinds of information uh i

805
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:46,080
also started to engage people on social

806
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,640
media

807
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
we happen to find a princeton believe it

808
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,799
or not facebook page

809
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,000
and uh and we made connections uh early

810
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,200
on with that

811
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:58,240
and and then got a hold of kevin day and

812
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:58,880
then

813
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,840
kevin day was a the senior officer

814
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,600
aboard the uh the princeton

815
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:06,240
was able to help then connect us to gary

816
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,279
voorhees

817
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:10,159
to jason turner and a whole bunch of

818
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,360
other people

819
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,039
uh and then we also then there's overall

820
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,760
18 people that we interviewed for that

821
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,720
report

822
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:22,000
uh we actually got lieutenant commander

823
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,159
slate uh to an interview

824
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,039
and that was the first time that i mean

825
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,880
that basically anybody had even they

826
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,480
didn't even know about him until we put

827
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,159
that report together yeah i've actually

828
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,600
got a couple of questions about that

829
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,200
statement that slate put out maybe we'll

830
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,640
get to that after you yeah

831
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
but i mean so in our interviews with

832
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,880
these people and we recorded the

833
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,880
interviews uh and we were able to get a

834
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:46,720
lot of good details

835
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,840
about the the overall incident of course

836
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:52,000
uh commander fraber was you know being

837
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:53,200
open about his

838
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,559
uh his encounter and what he experienced

839
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,039
yeah we could add that into it and then

840
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,480
uh you had

841
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:03,200
obviously like later on underwood it

842
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,240
became known

843
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,520
uh and you had uh you know kirth

844
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,240
on the the marine side who was actually

845
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:12,799
engaging in the red blue exercise

846
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:16,159
he was he was and so he had originally

847
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,559
seen

848
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240
the the bubbles in the water from an

849
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,559
object that was underneath it he didn't

850
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,480
see the tic tac but he actually saw

851
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,640
some object below the water yeah and

852
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,640
that was before fraver and that had been

853
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,159
triangulated out that way isn't it he

854
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,919
was the first to see anything

855
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,720
yes he was he was the initial uh party

856
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,720
to be able to say that he saw this

857
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,520
this uh object uh so you have all these

858
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:39,279
different parties and players aboard

859
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,080
these ships

860
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,080
and then you had later on you know you

861
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,080
actually had the uh the hawkeye

862
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,120
uh the people that were talking uh we

863
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,559
were trying to find out

864
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,480
from that standpoint because they're you

865
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,399
know the when the navy

866
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,559
when the navy does it's like they dock

867
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,320
and then they get all this new equipment

868
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,679
and then they take it out for these

869
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,320
training exercises and tests

870
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,240
they go through these different stages

871
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,440
uh various

872
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:06,320
uh ships and things like that are are

873
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,120
with them

874
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,919
and we weren't sure at the point uh we

875
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:10,559
were

876
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,240
about that this happened in

877
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,559
uh we came to later learned that you

878
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,840
know two of the

879
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,320
these ships were not anywhere near them

880
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,320
that they were actually at ports

881
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:25,279
uh and so it wasn't the complete carrier

882
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:25,679
group

883
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,799
that was the same and so that's

884
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,799
that was another thing we learned over a

885
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,919
period time

886
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,240
to say like you know hey is the hicks

887
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,000
was the hicks there was chaffey

888
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:39,520
there uh and so again you know no they

889
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,080
weren't

890
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:42,399
at this particular time they were uh

891
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,440
they were

892
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,840
i guess ports uh and then they came

893
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,600
later on to be able to join what they

894
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,120
call the com2x

895
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,240
exercise uh but anyway so

896
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,559
you know we we learned that and then we

897
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,159
then what we did

898
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,600
was try to take and pull a team together

899
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,200
to be able to look at uh

900
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,279
at multiple ways you can determine

901
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,000
things like acceleration of the object

902
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,240
uh in other words where what were the

903
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,120
instances where

904
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:11,760
acceleration could be determined well

905
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:12,320
you know

906
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,880
about the fact that the

907
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,600
that he had measured uh that the objects

908
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,679
dropped from like a 20 000

909
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:25,039
feet altitude down to sea level

910
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,399
and at first that a lot of that

911
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,159
information was confusing because it

912
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:30,159
you know the object was initially at 80

913
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,360
000 feet

914
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,600
it dropped down to twenty eight thousand

915
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,880
or twenty thousand feet

916
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,720
that's right you know and then there was

917
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:38,880
a twenty thousand foot two

918
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,159
uh ocean or sea level you know

919
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,080
uh and so there was a lot of you know

920
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,240
confusion about that but anyway we we

921
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,840
took the analysis where we said well

922
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,480
wait a minute

923
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:53,120
okay he says it dropped from 28 000 feet

924
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,080
uh to

925
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,320
the sea level in point seven eight

926
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,440
seconds so that's

927
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,519
like you know not even one second right

928
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,640
sure so

929
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:03,039
if we took an object that was comparable

930
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,240
to the size

931
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,679
and possibly the weight of the of the

932
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,360
tic-tac

933
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,440
then that would be probably equivalent

934
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:12,559
of an f-18

935
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,159
so let's go the mass of an f18

936
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,720
and let's compute compare that right and

937
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:20,880
then you have a problem that if in

938
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,919
0.78 seconds think about it when we

939
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,159
we accelerate to a certain speed and

940
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,640
then we have to break of course

941
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:30,960
no okay so there's is it a parabolic

942
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:32,080
kind of curve that we're going to be

943
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:32,559
doing

944
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:35,519
or is it an instantaneous up down uh you

945
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,000
know and

946
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,080
so we tried to like figure that is it

947
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,760
you know how is that acceleration and

948
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,600
deceleration happening

949
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,640
uh and then if you applied the uh

950
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,760
again a similar weight of an f-18 is

951
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,120
being that

952
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,760
used what would that give you in terms

953
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,600
of its kinetic power

954
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:55,440
output what would it give you in terms

955
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:57,039
of its acceleration

956
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,480
what would give you in terms of the

957
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,559
velocity and so

958
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,679
we we then computed it and we also did a

959
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,120
another computation

960
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:07,840
we said what happens if it's six seconds

961
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:08,399
not

962
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,480
looked at it from

963
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,600
six seconds and what would it be

964
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,159
and then even in six seconds it's way

965
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,240
beyond

966
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:22,960
it would survive the the the object

967
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:24,000
would break apart

968
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,440
if it you know if you think about the

969
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,360
materials that we have

970
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,480
yeah like an f-18 at that speed it would

971
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,240
disintegrate you know and then if you

972
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,760
had a pilot in it he'd be a puddle on

973
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,720
the bottom of the floor

974
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,440
right you know i mean you're talking

975
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,360
about speeds in excess of

976
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,840
anything that we typically know of and

977
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,360
at the same time

978
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,760
you don't have any sonic boom you have

979
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,039
the kinetic power

980
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,080
output equivalent to like the hoover dam

981
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:52,640
yeah you've got uh you know you've got

982
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,120
uh

983
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,720
speeds in excess of like you know a

984
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:56,320
hundred thousand

985
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,919
possibly uh miles per uh per hour or a

986
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
kilo

987
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,600
you know so i mean what i'm trying to

988
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,120
say is that i can't remember exact

989
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,880
measures but it's in our report

990
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,040
but i mean you get this tremendous

991
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:11,200
amount of speed acceleration and stuff

992
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:11,839
that

993
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,560
it it's like the inertial forces and the

994
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,159
g-forces so

995
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:21,200
yeah so now and what we did is we did it

996
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,760
for

997
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,839
like that experience but then there was

998
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,440
another time you could measure it and

999
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,639
that was when it

1000
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:29,359
left fravor and went to the cap point

1001
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,000
right

1002
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:32,240
so now we actually measured the speed

1003
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,200
again

1004
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:35,200
at that point until going to the cap

1005
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,560
point and stopping

1006
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,639
well how long did that take and how many

1007
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,000
miles was it

1008
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,639
but can you and then again it exceeded

1009
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:43,599
anything that we

1010
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,399
we've got and by a lot quite a lot

1011
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,599
that was taken by uh you know underwood

1012
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:54,320
uh in the the next group that was taking

1013
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,960
off

1014
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,960
yeah and you take a look at the video

1015
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,400
which is uh you know

1016
00:35:01,990 --> 00:35:00,960
it switches between thermal and you know

1017
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,000
uh the regular

1018
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,119
visible range but i mean you can then

1019
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,880
take a look at that and we were able to

1020
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,240
measure the speed there

1021
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,160
and again you know the again the speed

1022
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,000
would have been in excess of anything

1023
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,440
that we've got so

1024
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,480
you've got three different types of

1025
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,160
measurements so i mean three different

1026
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,920
parts of that whole encounter

1027
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,079
that it is it's exceeding anything that

1028
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:25,760
we've got in our inventory

1029
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,839
absolutely yeah absolutely and i think

1030
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:30,000
what

1031
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,599
there's always people out there on

1032
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,119
social media and things like that who

1033
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,119
want to really break it down and

1034
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,800
try and debunk it and all that kind of

1035
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,640
stuff and i think what's been really

1036
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,079
showing especially in the last couple of

1037
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,520
days is a statement that jim slate made

1038
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,359
and it puts his time scale within a kind

1039
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,599
of half an hour period

1040
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:49,119
but then you think about fraver who's

1041
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,079
kind of always talked about a

1042
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,440
five-minute period

1043
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,960
and then recently you've had alex

1044
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,320
dietrich who's come out talking about a

1045
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:56,400
10-second period so everyone's jumping

1046
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,960
on this

1047
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,040
well what is it ten seconds five minutes

1048
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,280
longer you know

1049
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
is there anything you can say to that

1050
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,320
because i think what we all really do

1051
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,079
know is that time is

1052
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,599
different to everyone and the way that

1053
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,440
they perceive it and everything and

1054
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,560
how vital is that to the investigation

1055
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,880
well again you know i think that uh you

1056
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,760
know

1057
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,680
it's vital that you get accurate facts

1058
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,200
but that's been a very

1059
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,960
much the same problem that you'll run

1060
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,560
across with human

1061
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,000
uh you know anecdotal testimonies yeah

1062
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:28,000
when i investigated cases of multiple

1063
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,119
witnesses

1064
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,320
uh over the period of my 57 years and

1065
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,359
stuff like that

1066
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,040
you'll always get variants from

1067
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:37,040
different people i mean

1068
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,960
some people hear better than others some

1069
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:40,240
people will have better

1070
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,839
visual acuity than others some people

1071
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,520
uh you know can have better

1072
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,760
recollections of times and things like

1073
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,240
that

1074
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,160
and you are talking about an incident

1075
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,640
that occurred you know in 2004

1076
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,960
yeah which is a long time ago right so

1077
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:57,119
our memory becomes an issue

1078
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:00,640
in that whole thing and so that's why

1079
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:01,200
you know

1080
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:05,119
it's great

1081
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:07,280
it was a great encounter it's a lot of

1082
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,240
good information

1083
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,160
and this is why scientists tend to want

1084
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:12,960
to hang around scientific data

1085
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,160
as opposed to human testimony sure

1086
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,200
because human testimony is indeed

1087
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,000
fallible yeah it changes over time it

1088
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,550
exactly i mean so you know we understand

1089
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,000
that that's going to happen

1090
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,119
uh you know that's why you see people on

1091
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:35,200
death row being released because guess

1092
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,599
what

1093
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,760
you know it wasn't that person after all

1094
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,200
that's on death row

1095
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,599
and we now have evidence like dna that

1096
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,200
comes forward and we can say that no

1097
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,960
that wasn't the individual and

1098
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:47,119
your memory was long that you know all

1099
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,720
that stuff like that so

1100
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,599
so we have to factor that in uh and we

1101
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:53,200
try to do that on the nimitz but it's

1102
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:53,520
still

1103
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:56,800
a lot of

1104
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,440
great you know evidence if you would

1105
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,200
that helps to support that something

1106
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,560
highly unusual

1107
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:05,359
did take place and it was definitely an

1108
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,160
object

1109
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,480
whether it was five minutes whether it

1110
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,320
was a few seconds

1111
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,280
uh or something of that nature uh it's

1112
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,040
still an incredible encounter and it

1113
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,880
again it shows

1114
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,800
the same kind of characteristics that

1115
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,480
you have of objects back

1116
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,880
in the even in the early 50s and and the

1117
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,920
late 40s

1118
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:26,320
you've always had the objects that

1119
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,119
performing

1120
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:29,599
uh you know like lou elizondo likes to

1121
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,440
talk about the five observables

1122
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,599
sure well that they were performing like

1123
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,760
that back in the 50s you know i mean

1124
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,920
you could stop on a dime you can make 90

1125
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,440
degree turns you don't you know

1126
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,920
break any sound barriers you seem to go

1127
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,920
uh you know you don't heat up

1128
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,160
uh you know going through our atmosphere

1129
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,520
like everything else going at those

1130
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,800
speeds would

1131
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,760
create absolutely yeah yeah you'd see

1132
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,960
that on the flea cameras as well

1133
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,560
wouldn't you yeah red hot white

1134
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,640
sorry black hot white hot it would show

1135
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,119
up it would show up and you you would

1136
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,880
see that kind of like thing

1137
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,359
uh plus you you know you you have

1138
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,640
typical descriptions

1139
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:07,119
of of objects that don't have any kind

1140
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,320
of like

1141
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,320
there are no wings that are helping to

1142
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,720
keep it up there's no propulsion system

1143
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:14,160
that's helping to drive the thing

1144
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:15,040
forward

1145
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,320
uh you know and so what is it and

1146
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,160
that's been consistent all along with

1147
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,400
this phenomenon absolutely no

1148
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,560
thank you so much for that and i think

1149
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,000
you know

1150
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,839
it what you've just said is is kind of

1151
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,400
what where i was at with it but it just

1152
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,760
it's when other people come to me with

1153
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,200
other explanations and they have all

1154
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,040
these things and i'm like well listen

1155
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,920
i always send them to the scu paper and

1156
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,599
take it take a look there that's that's

1157
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:42,000
look it's there just have a look it's

1158
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,359
it's not

1159
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,040
someone who's just spent a day

1160
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,800
looking into it this is a proper you

1161
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:50,560
know

1162
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,400
to two years before

1163
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,079
writing these papers it's not like it

1164
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:58,880
was done overnight

1165
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,640
a lot of people don't understand that

1166
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,880
that it takes that much time and

1167
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,560
their expectations are you're gonna you

1168
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,000
know here's a case

1169
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,240
and like you know a week later you're

1170
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,079
expected to get all those scientific

1171
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,280
you know explanations oh no you take a

1172
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,800
long time studying this

1173
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,960
from every angle you know it's actually

1174
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:18,319
yeah and it's not just one person

1175
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
looking at it

1176
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,720
yeah i'm sure you're doing it as a group

1177
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,720
and you know you've got great minds

1178
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,560
looking into it so um

1179
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,119
nah great um i'm not going to keep you

1180
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,280
too much longer but one case that i

1181
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,880
really wanted to speak to you about and

1182
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:32,720
it's one of my favorite cases

1183
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,160
is the 2013 aguadilla puerto rico case

1184
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,480
i feel it does not get enough coverage

1185
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,920
recognition or anything

1186
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,960
in the ufo community as a whole um and

1187
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,560
too many people

1188
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,720
in my opinion just shoot it down

1189
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,800
straight away as a balloon or a chinese

1190
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:50,560
lantern

1191
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:53,599
can you talk about how you became aware

1192
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,319
of the case

1193
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,839
started studying it to the point where

1194
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:58,160
you then put out again another great

1195
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:58,880
paper

1196
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:02,560
on such an important case yeah i'm i'm

1197
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,200
glad

1198
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,400
that we are seeing this this particular

1199
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,000
case coming forward uh

1200
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,800
i think it it has been pretty much

1201
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:12,720
low-key it was not really discussed a

1202
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:13,119
lot

1203
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,560
uh you know and and i'm complete we're

1204
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,400
completely aware of all these

1205
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,480
alternate hypotheses that people put

1206
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:22,400
together uh and want to assemble for

1207
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,200
that and

1208
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,920
let me speak to that as well so how how

1209
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,319
did we become involved in it well

1210
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:31,200
what happened was that one of us uh

1211
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,480
morgan bell

1212
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,800
uh who is a part of su and one of the

1213
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,599
founding

1214
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,319
board officers like i am and uh robert

1215
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,400
powell and two other gentlemen

1216
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:43,839
uh we he he was the state director

1217
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:47,440
uh also of mufon in florida

1218
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:50,800
and one of his contacts

1219
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,240
apparently got wind of this uh through

1220
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,880
a pilot that was located in miami

1221
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:58,000
florida

1222
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,079
he was uh this was a also a a

1223
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,800
customs and border protection pilot

1224
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,359
right

1225
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,720
and apparently this pilot in miami

1226
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:11,200
got it from the actual pilot who was

1227
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:11,760
actually

1228
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:15,200
located in in puerto rico sure so i'm

1229
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,000
we're taught now

1230
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:18,160
talking to this pilot who was a friend

1231
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,119
of

1232
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,160
and the the big push by the pilot

1233
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,599
in uh in puerto rico was he didn't

1234
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,400
he wanted this to be studied because he

1235
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,680
didn't know what it was

1236
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,760
and he wanted to be treated

1237
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,680
scientifically if you would

1238
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,599
and he knew that he couldn't get it they

1239
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,960
had already attempted to take it up

1240
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,880
through the the borderland uh the

1241
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,560
homeland security chain and they didn't

1242
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,160
want anything to do with it

1243
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,720
also they also they also took the video

1244
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:46,640
over to air force intelligence

1245
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,839
and they said well we don't do that

1246
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,000
stuff anymore and we're not interested

1247
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,760
and we're going like wow you're not

1248
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:53,440
interested in that okay

1249
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:57,920
okay so our our job was to first off i'd

1250
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,520
authenticate that it was legitimately a

1251
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,560
a cbp plane that was actually

1252
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,040
and it's a legit video okay right yeah

1253
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,720
in this day and age you have to do that

1254
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,480
you know check to authenticate it and

1255
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:12,240
make sure that it's accurate

1256
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,079
so what happened was that again morgan

1257
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,000
actually went and met with a pilot and

1258
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,599
was able to uh

1259
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:22,480
you know get the uh the video released

1260
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:23,119
and

1261
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,800
then

1262
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,880
what we did is you know created a team

1263
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:30,960
of us to be a five people to be able to

1264
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,079
go and to start like

1265
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,000
breaking it down studying it and various

1266
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,680
other things and so we

1267
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,359
you know again robert powell started

1268
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,040
going after the foias to be able to

1269
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,720
confirm that number one

1270
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,960
was there an aircraft that was in the

1271
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,319
area we also

1272
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,960
had radar data that we were collecting

1273
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,480
from the faa

1274
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,079
so and the faa we could look at the

1275
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,760
actual identification of the

1276
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,800
aircraft as it comes on the radar

1277
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:59,440
and you can confirm that it was it was

1278
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,000
definitely

1279
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,040
a cbp plane uh

1280
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,119
registered plane and then we were able

1281
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,480
to get its complete

1282
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,680
movement pattern and little didn't we

1283
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,040
know but you know we went after

1284
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,960
additional radar data and we were able

1285
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,520
to get

1286
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,599
the the fact that prior just prior to

1287
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:16,960
that we got

1288
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,400
over 50 hits of an object that was doing

1289
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,000
incredible maneuvers

1290
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:25,200
just off that coastline in that area and

1291
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,920
so

1292
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,400
you know i mean it was making incredible

1293
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,400
uh you know mind-boggling

1294
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,400
perky jerky felt like the kickback you

1295
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:33,680
know was you know sure

1296
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,800
yeah kind of emotions out in the water

1297
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:39,599
uh just prior to that and then suddenly

1298
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,240
it goes

1299
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,480
off and you don't see that anymore they

1300
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,920
don't track it anymore

1301
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,640
and then you have right then this object

1302
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,160
coming in toward

1303
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,800
the uh the airport okay and that's the

1304
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,960
rafael hernandez airport

1305
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,040
and so now you can say well maybe

1306
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,720
there's a connection between that object

1307
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,880
that's doing this incredible minot

1308
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,440
movers and the tic tac-like motions now

1309
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:02,319
that's potentially

1310
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:05,520
coming toward and so you have this

1311
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,040
uh this uh cut this cbp it's a dash

1312
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,119
eight aircraft that's taking off

1313
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:12,720
it's late at night it's nine o'clock in

1314
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:14,160
the evening on

1315
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,839
uh april 25th uh

1316
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,839
so it's nighttime there's a full moon

1317
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,960
out uh

1318
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,839
it's kind of 80 degrees at night and

1319
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:25,119
they're taking off to go on their

1320
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,599
regular

1321
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,800
routine mission uh of looking for drug

1322
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,560
smugglers and various other kinds of

1323
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,400
things that come into puerto rico

1324
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,280
and it's when they when they take off

1325
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:37,119
and they were cleared for the takeoff

1326
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,319
that they're looking up and they're

1327
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,319
seeing a light that's coming

1328
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,640
in from the water and there's they're

1329
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,079
immediately like concerned like

1330
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,680
that's where they're going to be heading

1331
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,280
so they can't have

1332
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,200
air traffic control i said we thought

1333
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:50,560
you were you know we were you were

1334
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,200
cleared

1335
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:54,079
to take off but here's this object and

1336
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,720
you know

1337
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,800
and sure enough they're looking at it

1338
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,440
and saying well we see the light too

1339
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,520
right so now you've got this lighted

1340
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:03,359
object right

1341
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:07,119
well uh they go now doing a circle

1342
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,720
around the object once and they

1343
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,400
almost come back to the point where they

1344
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,560
are they they took off of the

1345
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,280
the runway right so they made one

1346
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,160
complete circle

1347
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,880
watching this object and guess what the

1348
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:23,920
light then suddenly goes off

1349
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:27,359
now okay the light goes off and it's

1350
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,319
that point

1351
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,640
where they start the video clip and they

1352
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,000
the the pilot

1353
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,720
contacts the uh they have two people in

1354
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:36,079
the back of the airport there's actually

1355
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,359
a four passengers

1356
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,680
uh uh aboard the dash eight you know the

1357
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,839
pilot the co-pilot and you have a radar

1358
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,359
guy and you also have

1359
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,000
a thermal imaging camera operator right

1360
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,760
so the thermal imaging

1361
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,480
camera operator turns on his equipment

1362
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,079
and he starts to now track

1363
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,359
this object uh using the thermal camera

1364
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,960
which makes it look like daylight

1365
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:59,040
so he's able to track it and he's moving

1366
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,560
the camera around

1367
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,119
trying to follow it as they now circle

1368
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:05,200
around again

1369
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,720
and but they don't do a complete circle

1370
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,720
and what i'm trying to get at is a lot

1371
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,240
of people think that well

1372
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,640
you know there's a parabolic of you know

1373
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,000
the parallax effect

1374
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,280
that if you're going and you're if if i

1375
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:21,280
had you positioned there and i go around

1376
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,000
you

1377
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,280
right and we

1378
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:28,000
we took that into effect in the context

1379
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,559
of

1380
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,280
you know the object and knowing that

1381
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,319
wait a minute

1382
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,680
uh do we have any they didn't turn on

1383
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,559
the laser

1384
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,200
target illuminator aboard the west cam

1385
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,800
camera it's not a flear

1386
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,960
it's a west cam camera a thermal imaging

1387
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,400
camera right

1388
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,800
it's a competitor to flare flare is a

1389
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,240
company by the way yes

1390
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,559
not a you know it's like me talking and

1391
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:53,040
say well did you use xerox to make uh

1392
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:54,079
you know

1393
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,839
flare it's not a flare it's westcam

1394
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,760
camera made by l3

1395
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:06,079
right it's a thermal imaging camera but

1396
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:06,960
anyway so

1397
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,240
they track it now they go around partly

1398
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,319
but then what happens is that they see

1399
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,920
the the object is now

1400
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,800
apparently like going in the water and

1401
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:18,079
at that point it

1402
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,599
you know i'll tell you that in a second

1403
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,599
it comes up out of the water and does

1404
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,040
some interesting things but

1405
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,319
they're now heading south east they've

1406
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,319
they've gone off on a southwest they're

1407
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,319
not doing this circle anymore right

1408
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,920
and it's at that point you know when

1409
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,760
it's doing that you can start to make

1410
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,160
out the actual speed of the object

1411
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,559
because you have some reference points

1412
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:39,839
for example we see

1413
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,680
when we did we broke it into 7027 frames

1414
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:47,280
and looked at individual frames of that

1415
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,040
and we looked at each pixel in the frame

1416
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,960
and we were breaking it down by each

1417
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,800
pixel each little cell of that

1418
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,680
photograph

1419
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,920
if you would that frame yeah and and you

1420
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,760
could make out that it goes behind a

1421
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,880
telephone pole

1422
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,040
well that gave you a references in terms

1423
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,559
of its distance

1424
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,359
and it also gives you a reference point

1425
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,040
for its size

1426
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,960
so then we can estimate that it was size

1427
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,800
roughly three to five feet in diameter

1428
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,079
at least the thermal

1429
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,800
aspect of that yes you know you have to

1430
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,319
keep that in mind you're not looking at

1431
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,160
a visible target you're looking at

1432
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,280
heat yeah and so in this case

1433
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,400
in the video when it's black it's hot

1434
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:29,040
it's hotter than what it would be white

1435
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,240
so

1436
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,720
looking at thermal images which gives

1437
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:34,400
you thermal contrast the difference

1438
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,040
between

1439
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,599
and it measures up to 1 100 of the

1440
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,000
degree difference

1441
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:42,160
in terms of a color range that goes from

1442
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,040
like white

1443
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:45,040
up to black and all the shades of gray

1444
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,480
in between yeah

1445
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,800
so we did that kind of like level of

1446
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:50,400
scrutiny on this thing looking at

1447
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,040
individual

1448
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,119
pixels and the colors to be able to come

1449
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,200
up with the the actual

1450
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,680
computation of the temperature of it and

1451
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,760
we came up to it it's roughly 104

1452
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,040
degrees temperature

1453
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,720
not all the time but at different points

1454
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:04,800
of the the video we're going to

1455
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,079
really get black and uh and then we

1456
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,599
could track the speed of the object

1457
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,800
which was roughly

1458
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,599
you know about 80 to 85 miles an hour

1459
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,599
and you also see it going into the water

1460
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,599
at about 100 miles an hour

1461
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,599
and then moves underneath the water it's

1462
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,280
still about roughly 80

1463
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,440
miles per hour but it slows down to

1464
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,040
about 40 miles per hour

1465
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,520
it comes up out of the water and you see

1466
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,960
even when it was underneath the water

1467
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,319
you see that this like

1468
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,920
indication of it moving through the

1469
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,240
water yeah it's like a white kind of

1470
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,920
like thing and that

1471
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:38,319
comes up we called it a bernoulli hump

1472
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:39,200
because

1473
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,920
if you have some water displaced it

1474
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:42,400
actually

1475
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,800
uh makes the water a little bit the

1476
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,319
temperature will change

1477
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:49,280
and and so it gets cooler as it's thrown

1478
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,160
up

1479
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,640
and so you see that happening the cooler

1480
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,559
you also saw a splash which we could

1481
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,160
look at the individual pictures

1482
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,760
so we know that we know that it went

1483
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,359
into the water it actually created a

1484
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,240
splash

1485
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,880
wow and then you also see it kind of

1486
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:04,319
like moving up and then it comes out of

1487
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,280
the water

1488
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,440
and then you see it get really really

1489
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,440
black the the temperature gets really

1490
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,559
really hot

1491
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:13,359
if you would hotter than you know normal

1492
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:13,839
yeah

1493
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:16,880
what it had been and then suddenly it

1494
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,760
it you see it split into two identical

1495
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,960
objects

1496
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:23,040
uh which would indicate that it's you

1497
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,319
know it's a separate

1498
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,800
thermal signature right yeah you know so

1499
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:28,240
i mean it's another object that's the

1500
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,880
same

1501
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:31,280
and then it goes off and one goes like

1502
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,240
underneath the water

1503
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,319
and then the other one hangs up a little

1504
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,920
bit and you see it go in the water and

1505
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:37,440
then you see the camera like looking

1506
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,319
around and

1507
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,200
by this time that that customs and

1508
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:43,040
border protection plane is like nine

1509
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:43,760
miles

1510
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,640
you know down south looking at the

1511
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,599
object

1512
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,680
wow and it's not going in a circle

1513
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,760
around it at all

1514
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,680
so you don't have the parallax effect

1515
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,599
and we we did everything from looking at

1516
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,800
the wind speeds

1517
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,280
at the altitude that it was uh on that

1518
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:01,200
particular day it was about like 18

1519
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,559
miles an hour

1520
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,440
uh it was heading toward the uh the west

1521
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:07,119
and we could compute that

1522
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,400
uh and so vinnie let me tell you we

1523
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,960
we did all this for two years i mean we

1524
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:14,880
studied every aspect of weather

1525
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,760
the radar the the whole thing seven

1526
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:18,240
thousand

1527
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,680
twenty sevens you know uh things and

1528
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,720
we couldn't come up with an explanation

1529
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,440
it's it we eliminated the parallax and

1530
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,800
here's the other part of the problem a

1531
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,079
lot of people like to like

1532
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,400
want to make and say it's a blue and the

1533
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,599
black was just

1534
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,359
hanging up there above that little

1535
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:37,920
airport well first off

1536
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:40,880
what it's not a mylar balloon because we

1537
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,880
compared it to we actually had

1538
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,839
another west cam camera and we did tests

1539
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,720
of taking

1540
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:49,040
using that same camera of a mylar

1541
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,000
balloon

1542
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,400
wow and it doesn't match the thermal

1543
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,480
signature doesn't match at all

1544
00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:56,079
and that's what a lot of people will

1545
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,839
just go after and say it's uh it's

1546
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,079
parallax

1547
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,760
and then they want to prove that point

1548
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:04,079
right yes we're stupid we didn't

1549
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:06,000
consider parallax we did consider

1550
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,720
parallax

1551
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,079
sure of course we also considered mylar

1552
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,599
balloons that's why we had a thermal

1553
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,280
camera taking a look at that

1554
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,359
and we looked at the wind speed and the

1555
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,520
problem is that a lot of people will say

1556
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,720
here's the aircraft right and then

1557
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:23,280
you have the object that is being

1558
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,839
somewhere

1559
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,240
between that and the ground because if

1560
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,680
you look at the metadata that's

1561
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,200
associated with that

1562
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,680
the actual reticule is actually

1563
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,800
capturing the

1564
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:35,920
the location of the ground it points to

1565
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,280
so somewhere along from that aircraft

1566
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,400
down to the ground is where that object

1567
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:45,920
actually is and if if if i place it down

1568
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,760
at the end

1569
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,000
and say that i'm doing parallax then it

1570
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,680
means it's not moving at all

1571
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,599
and basically i ain't going around it

1572
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,040
right

1573
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,280
but if i move that and say that it's a

1574
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,040
little bit closer

1575
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:01,440
than uh the ground or something of that

1576
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:02,079
nature

1577
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,760
then i'm saying that well wait a minute

1578
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:05,280
it might have a different pattern and

1579
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:05,920
we've

1580
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,000
have you actually take a look at our

1581
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,000
our where we project that this thing

1582
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,839
went and and the pilots and everybody

1583
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:15,599
seemed to think that it went

1584
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,040
and uh and so

1585
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:21,839
no they position it always at this point

1586
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,480
a little

1587
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:25,040
point and say that it didn't move you

1588
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:26,720
know hardly at all

1589
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:29,760
of course and they they don't look at

1590
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,599
mylar balloons in thermal

1591
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,280
and neither do they consider that the

1592
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,280
pilot said and the control tower said it

1593
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,400
had a light

1594
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:41,520
that went out of course and neither do

1595
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,319
they consider

1596
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:44,160
the fact that there were 50 hits of

1597
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,920
radar just off the coastline

1598
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,520
i mean that's what kind of really gets

1599
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,760
me as well but have those radar data

1600
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:53,680
points been made public at all

1601
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,920
yes we we actually published it i mean

1602
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,680
we have the radar data we've we've

1603
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,079
actually published it in our paper uh we

1604
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,680
can provide it to anybody that wants it

1605
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,240
but i mean

1606
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,839
again that's that's what i'm trying to

1607
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,079
get at is like nobody bothers to do the

1608
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,160
complete homework on the case

1609
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,160
they go after it's a balloon and i'm

1610
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:11,760
gonna put it it's a balloon

1611
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,040
yeah and they eradicate some of the

1612
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:15,040
vital information to fit their narrative

1613
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:16,240
that's what i see

1614
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,119
yeah there you go

1615
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,200
that's great thank you i'm going to just

1616
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:25,280
just hold you for one more question

1617
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,480
and i'm not sure if you can tell me

1618
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,880
about it um i recently

1619
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,040
i mean i say recently i saw this talk

1620
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,200
you did back in 2019 about

1621
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,280
a couple of cases that we've not heard

1622
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,720
much about and this is the uss

1623
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,559
bainbridge in the uss boxer

1624
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
are you able to talk about those cases

1625
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,720
at all so

1626
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,640
lou was the one that told me about those

1627
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,200
okay this is i mean all right okay

1628
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:50,319
he was the guy right so lou told me

1629
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,960
about them

1630
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:53,280
in when we were at 2019 and he was our

1631
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:54,079
guest speaker

1632
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,680
our keynote at the seo conference and we

1633
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,440
you know i we told him you know in fact

1634
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:00,720
i told him i said did

1635
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:04,000
out of curiosity did aa tip uh bothered

1636
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,040
to look at all

1637
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:08,559
at the aguadilla case and he said

1638
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,680
yes they did and i said well that was

1639
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:13,680
interesting he said you know and then

1640
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,200
we told him uh you know basically uh

1641
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,040
can you can you help us i mean we've

1642
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,720
done the nimitz report now

1643
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,559
yeah what's the next target that we

1644
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,160
ought to go after

1645
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,880
and and he told us he said well there is

1646
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:29,119
the bainbridge and then the boxer

1647
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,599
uh incidents and i said well okay we

1648
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,520
need to like look and see if we can get

1649
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,440
any kind of information on them the

1650
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,559
challenge that we had

1651
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:38,799
was that you know with the exception of

1652
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,599
the nimitz

1653
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:42,000
crew coming forward we weren't able to

1654
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,960
get any of these

1655
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,960
people to come forward to talk about

1656
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:46,240
those incidents

1657
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:48,079
and that's that's what we really had to

1658
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,760
rely on

1659
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,359
could we get anybody that would come

1660
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,440
forward with any kind of

1661
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,520
supportive evidence if you would of

1662
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,640
course and

1663
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,160
and the problem is we couldn't get

1664
00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:00,720
anybody right of course that was before

1665
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,040
they

1666
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,280
had this whole like reporting if you

1667
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:04,559
would of these cases

1668
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,480
of course and so uh officially

1669
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,680
and so we we didn't get any uh anybody

1670
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,359
that was willing to come forward so we

1671
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,040
pretty much just dropped it

1672
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,359
uh we're still interested i'd love to be

1673
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,960
able to get somebody to talk about those

1674
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,079
incidents

1675
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,359
are you made aware of what they looked

1676
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,799
like the craft that were involved were

1677
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,960
they tic tacs were they drone shaped was

1678
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,319
it relate you know similar to the

1679
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:29,920
omaha or no and and let me also

1680
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,520
clarify that uh that you know

1681
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:36,720
it's been through leaks if you would of

1682
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,040
uh

1683
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,880
like even with the omaha incidents of

1684
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:41,520
these

1685
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,520
and and i'll be honest with you

1686
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,440
i don't i don't agree with moving them

1687
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,280
through journalists i agree with

1688
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,880
them going being scientifically

1689
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:52,960
scrutinized first absolutely yeah

1690
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,359
uh and then you come out with a

1691
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,000
journalist making statements right so

1692
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:00,000
you know the fact that corbella and nap

1693
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:01,440
want to be able to promote it without

1694
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:02,640
scientific study

1695
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,680
i i don't agree with i mean in their

1696
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,440
defense slightly in their defense they

1697
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,799
do say that they have given

1698
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,119
these bits of data to various people to

1699
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,359
analyze behind the scenes they've not

1700
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,960
given out names or anything but they're

1701
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,400
they're saying that they are doing their

1702
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:17,599
due diligence

1703
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,839
do you feel that they're not i mean it's

1704
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,680
a grey area isn't it

1705
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,640
let's put it this way uh scu as you when

1706
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,839
we get something

1707
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,839
we're gonna do our our best to be able

1708
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,680
to analyze it and study it and a lot of

1709
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:31,119
us have been in this phenomena for a

1710
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,400
very long time

1711
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:35,119
sure i don't know who they're going to

1712
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,000
are they are

1713
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,480
they doing peer reviews are they we did

1714
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,400
a peer review on the aguadilla case

1715
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,799
that we studied we went to the we

1716
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,079
couldn't find anybody in the united

1717
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:45,760
states to do it so we went over to the

1718
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:46,480
french

1719
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,400
team were the ones that helped us out uh

1720
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,359
but

1721
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:55,040
we're now putting in a peer review

1722
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,400
process and doing it

1723
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,599
ourselves because ultimately uh that

1724
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:00,480
needs to happen

1725
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,440
but again you know me telling you that i

1726
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,799
gave it to somebody and then that

1727
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:06,400
somebody looked at it you know do you

1728
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,119
know who they are

1729
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,960
did they like the level of work that

1730
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,400
they did we're

1731
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,079
we're completely transparent about what

1732
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,839
we do yeah oh i mean

1733
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,400
and so who is this non-transparent

1734
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:18,559
entity that you sent this thing to

1735
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,839
uh and what we see the report

1736
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,319
uh let me you know as you very well know

1737
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,920
if we believed everything that somebody

1738
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,559
says

1739
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,240
without any kind of like evidence to

1740
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,839
support or back it up

1741
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:31,680
then it's just you know hearsay or it's

1742
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:33,040
just you know i'm what am i going to

1743
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,839
take your

1744
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,280
you know and believe what you have to

1745
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,520
say uh so

1746
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,640
that's what they're wanting you to do

1747
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,839
and i don't think that that's the right

1748
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:40,880
way to do it

1749
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,880
no i i completely agree and it

1750
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,040
it's never been made known any of jeremy

1751
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,640
corbell sources who's looked at these

1752
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,079
bits of data so of course a lot of

1753
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:51,839
people have a lot of skepticism and a

1754
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,079
lot of questions but is this kind of

1755
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,440
is this something you would have looked

1756
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,119
at if jeremy had come to you with these

1757
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,040
cases before making them and that

1758
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,880
there you go jeremy if you ever watch

1759
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:02,640
this what are you doing

1760
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:06,720
go and speak to rich in the scu come on

1761
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,640
yeah we would be happy to look into it i

1762
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,839
mean it's you know

1763
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,920
we do look at we want to look at any of

1764
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:14,880
these things like the uh navy incidents

1765
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,839
or something like that

1766
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,280
we'd like to have been able to have

1767
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,760
received even the the radar data if

1768
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,119
anything like that

1769
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,799
yeah that's that's what we're writing to

1770
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,400
the congress and all congressional

1771
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:25,599
leaders about

1772
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,799
uh even that they were uaptf we were

1773
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,040
looking at them to be able to say

1774
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:33,760
and also the uh the ssci the you know

1775
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:34,400
the

1776
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,160
senate select committee we wanted to be

1777
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,920
able to say that you know put this

1778
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,680
it's time for this stuff to come out to

1779
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:42,720
academia and scientists hold the study

1780
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:45,520
and to help corroborate or validate or

1781
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,480
whatever

1782
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:49,040
and we're we're extremely available we

1783
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,160
want to do that

1784
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,160
yeah and didn't you contact them back in

1785
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:54,000
something like 2018 as well to really

1786
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,359
kind of try and push this out into the

1787
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,440
scientific community

1788
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,960
have you been in contact with them since

1789
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,720
then or in constant communication or

1790
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,799
have they just kind of

1791
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,400
not really given you much since then i

1792
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,760
mean is it a positive outlook from them

1793
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,400
well let's put it this way we are we're

1794
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,400
definitely having conversations

1795
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,720
and we are we are trying to be able to

1796
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:15,760
forge that

1797
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,400
we have a director of national security

1798
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,160
on board with seo

1799
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:22,480
we've also got we've got a security

1800
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:23,359
advisor

1801
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,119
and we're we're basically trying to push

1802
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,720
that envelope to be able to help

1803
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:28,720
uh get that out and i think that there's

1804
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:30,640
a possibility that we will be able to

1805
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,079
to do that um so hopefully that

1806
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,000
we're going to break some ground we got

1807
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,079
lots of great studies going on

1808
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,599
uh right now that will be helpful uh

1809
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:43,440
and so we're looking at propulsion in

1810
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,920
the atmosphere atmospheric effects

1811
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,280
we're looking at a whole bunch of things

1812
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,079
that would be of interest uh

1813
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,200
uh to a lot of people yeah including the

1814
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:55,359
the study that's going on right now so

1815
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,799
we are looking to be able to figure out

1816
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:58,160
how we can play

1817
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,559
uh and uh there's a number of us that

1818
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,240
work in dod so we can sign

1819
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,599
ndas or whatever is needed to be able to

1820
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:07,200
help get that out but

1821
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:10,880
um scu likes to also like publish and be

1822
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,880
transparent so we're looking to balance

1823
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,559
how can we help that out at the same

1824
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,480
time be transparent you know

1825
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:18,559
absolutely no that's great thank you so

1826
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,599
much listen

1827
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,880
rich thank you it's been a pleasure i'm

1828
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,079
not going to keep you any longer because

1829
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,599
like i said i know

1830
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:25,119
your time is super valuable and you've

1831
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,559
given me an hour and i could not have

1832
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,680
asked for any longer i'm

1833
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,839
so thankful to you i would love to speak

1834
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,440
to you i don't know six months down the

1835
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:32,880
line see where we're at with everything

1836
01:02:36,069 --> 01:02:33,440
as this

1837
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:36,079
subject continues to evolve but for now

1838
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,720
rich

1839
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,400
thank you so much for joining me and

1840
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,839
answering my questions it means the

1841
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,680
world to me so thank you so much

1842
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,039
well thanks for the invite vinnie and

1843
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:44,799
best of luck to you and keep up the

1844
01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:46,160
great work that you're doing

1845
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:49,039
thank you i'll try thank you so much all

1846
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:49,440
right

1847
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:52,720
that's good okay thank you rich

1848
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:55,920
bye-bye guys

1849
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,319
well wow wow i am

1850
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:02,160
i'm so vibing off of that right now i

1851
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:03,599
cannot tell you how much

1852
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,280
um yeah uh guys thank you ever so much

1853
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,720
for watching as always

1854
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,880
i am gonna go and just wind down and

1855
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,240
take all that on board

1856
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,880
and um yeah what a great great

1857
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,680
conversation

1858
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,200
thank you all for being here for

1859
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,880
everybody that's watched it live and for

1860
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,480
everybody that sees it in the future

1861
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,319
i'm trying to do my best to ask these

1862
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,760
people the right questions

1863
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,000
get some answers and just try and have a

1864
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:27,839
positive view on where we are with this

1865
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,559
subject moving forward so